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Tim Bogert - Vanilla Fudge / Cactus / BBA

Mensagem por Macarrão em Sab Ago 10, 2013 3:11 pm

Eu procurei material sobre esse baixista aqui pelo fórum, mas não achei.
Baixista "Old School" que sou, não poderia deixar em branco aqui na comunidade esse cara que no meio dos anos 60 já fazia diferença com seu baixo. Aqui no Brasil não dominam essa informação, mas a sua influência no rock teve a mesma relevância que nomes como Jack Bruce, Gary Thain (esse também merece uma citação aqui no fórum) e Andy Fraser, por exemplo.
Escreveu história com o Vanilla Fudge, BBA (Jeff Beck, Tim Bogert, Carmine Appice) e Cactus. Em 67 ele já tocava de modo meio insano, completamente diferente dos que estavam na ativa na época.
Além de dominar a música, ele também era responsável pelo setup diferenciado do seu Fender Precision:







Sim, é um precision frankeinstein, mas que falava muito.
Praticando um pouco do Inglês:

"When Vanilla Fudge helped pioneer the progressive-rock movement in the latter half of the ’60s, bassist Tim Bogert played more than one Fender Precision – and usually installed Telecaster Bass necks on them.

Bogert preferred the chunkier feel of the Tele Bass neck, which reminded him of ’50s P-Basses. And for him, one instrument, in particular, became a favorite for nearly three decades as he used it during stints with the Fudge, Cactus, and Beck, Bogert and Appice. Like many dedicated musicians, through the years, he refined it as parts became worn or when he felt the need to experiment. From the top down, it epitomizes a perpetually viable piece of gear.

The maple neck, for example, is its third, and was bought from a parts supplier that let Bogert search its inventory until he found one that looked and felt right. It has a plethora of birdseye figure markings, and he installed a brass nut and had a ’50s Precision Bass decal added to its headstock.

Sharp-eyed Fender aficionados will note the lack of holes on either side of the pickup, where an arched handrest/pickup cover would normally be installed. Nor are there holes on either side of the bridge. That’s because the body is also a replacement!

“It’s a body Fender gave me in the late ’80s,” Bogert recounted. “The earlier maple body had been chewed up over the years, and I asked for a new one; I’ve always liked a maple neck and maple body.”

“The only original parts left on the bass are the tuning pegs, bridge, and neck plate,” Bogert said. “I was always f***ing around with it!”

The two small chrome caps on the pickguard cover a spot where switches were once installed to control a two-pickup setup he used with a previous body. “One was an on/off, the other was a pickup select,” Bogert recalled.

Though not an original part, he considers the bass’ pickup it’s “…most important part, because it came off a ’57 Fender I got in ’68 or ’69, when we played the Hollywood Bowl with Jimi Hendrix.”

The finger rest, which was installed between the pickup and the bridge instead of the typical location on the pickguard, helped him manipulate the strings.

“In ’65 or ’66, when I started working with the Pigeons, we would do these crescendos. But the volume on Fenders back then would drop off really quickly if you tried working the Volume control. So instead, I would brace my thumb on that rest and work the strings to make the crescendos smoother. I learned to do that very precisely.”

In the late ’80s, he acquired a new body for the bass and installed the original bridge and ’57 pickup. But because by then he had begun playing basses with more than four strings, the warhorse was mostly relegated to storage. Today, he primarily plays contrabass.

In the late ’90s, Bogert sold this vital piece of prog-rock history to New York music producer/collector Randolf Pratt, who also owns Fudge guitarist Vince Martell’s Gibson ES-335 (VG, April 2011)."
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Re: Tim Bogert - Vanilla Fudge / Cactus / BBA

Mensagem por Macarrão em Sab Ago 10, 2013 3:24 pm

Vanilla Fudge:
PS.: atenção na humilhação da bateria do Carmine Appice

You Keep Me Hangin' On
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFabNBveHOk

Shotgun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubnndfO3NbE


BBA:

Superstiton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyyhm1D7zlI

Lady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa2rMmePY50
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Re: Tim Bogert - Vanilla Fudge / Cactus / BBA

Mensagem por Tarcísio Caetano em Sab Ago 10, 2013 3:58 pm

Muito bem lembrado!!! Very Happy claps up 
Excelente!!!

Algumas informações a mais:

John Voorhis "Tim" Bogert III (born August 27, 1944 Ridgefield, New Jersey) is an American musician. He graduated from Ridgefield Memorial High School in his hometown in 1963. As a bass guitarist and vocalist he is best known for his bass solos and his work with Vanilla Fudge, Cactus and the power trio; Beck, Bogert & Appice.

Career:

Vanilla Fudge was formed along with Mark Stein, Vince Martell, and Carmine Appice. They recorded five albums during the years 1967-69, before disbanding in 1970. The band has reunited in various configurations over the years.
In 1970 Bogert formed the rock band Cactus with drummer Carmine Appice, guitarist Jim McCarty and Rusty Day, and played with guitarist Jeff Beck, after the second Jeff Beck Group had disbanded in 1972 and eventually became a member of the power trio Beck, Bogert & Appice, late in 1972. As a member of the post second Jeff Beck Group, also known as Jeff Beck Group he toured Europe, Japan and US from January 1972 until January 1974. In late 1975, he played bass guitar on Bo Diddley's The 20th Anniversary Of Rock 'n' Roll all-star album.
Bogert then joined up with Bobby & The Midnites, a musical side project assembled by guitarist and vocalist Bob Weir of The Grateful Dead. Despite touring with the group, Bogert left before their eponymous album was released and was replaced by Alphonso Johnson. During 1981 Bogert toured with guitarist Rick Derringer and released an album Progressions. He recorded his second album Master's Brew in 1983 and recorded Mystery with Vanilla Fudge in 1984. In 1981 Bogert became a faculty member at the Musicians Institute in Hollywood. In 1993 he worked with the Japanese guitarist Pata, also with Carmine Appice and they recorded the album Pata.
In early 1999 The Hollywood Rock Walk of Fame recognised Tim Bogert's contribution to rock history. Later in 1999 he worked with Triality, and Shelter Me. In 2000 Bogert and Carmine Appice formed the power trio DBA with Rick Derringer and toured with Vanilla Fudge.
During 2009 Bogert joined blues-rock trio Blues Mobile Band and recorded “Blues Without Borders” (2009) in Los Angeles.
In 2010 Bogert, with Mike Onesko on guitar & vocals and Emery Ceo on drums (both from the Blindside Blues Band), recorded Big Electric Cream Jam, a 10-track live tribute to Cream .LIve at The Beachland Ballroom Euclid Ohio.

Fonte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Bogert
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Re: Tim Bogert - Vanilla Fudge / Cactus / BBA

Mensagem por renatogaragerock em Sab Ago 10, 2013 4:37 pm

Legal! Eu tenho o One Way Or Another do Cactus, em vinil, e realmente o baixo soa muito bom!!!
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Mensagem por Rico em Sab Ago 10, 2013 8:28 pm

renatogaragerock escreveu:Legal! Eu tenho o One Way Or Another do Cactus, em vinil, e realmente o baixo soa muito bom!!!
Esse é um discaço, e o som meio distorcido do Ampeg do Tim, deu uma supervalorização ao som do baixo nas músicas deste disco. Prá mim, ele é de uma praia "parecida" com a do Jack Bruce, mas parece nitidamente que o som do Cactus é mais arrumado que o do Cream, onde todo mundo solava o tempo inteiro (caramba, eu adoro Cream também!!!).

Sem comparações infantis, mas quando surgiu o Gov't Mule, esperava que eles chegariam nesse nível de trabalho, mas para mim, ficaram muito prá trás. Em termos de Rock, eu acho que desde o fim dos 60 e primeira metade dos 70, não existem mais bandas no nível de Cactus e Cream, por exemplo...
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Re: Tim Bogert - Vanilla Fudge / Cactus / BBA

Mensagem por Macarrão em Sab Ago 10, 2013 8:47 pm

Rico escreveu:
Sem comparações infantis, mas quando surgiu o Gov't Mule, esperava que eles chegariam nesse nível de trabalho, mas para mim, ficaram muito prá trás. Em termos de Rock, eu acho que desde o fim dos 60 e primeira metade dos 70, não existem mais bandas no nível de Cactus e Cream, por exemplo...
Eu acho que muitas bandas (principalmente as americanas), que hoje são chamadas de Stoner, são os "filhos" desses trios dos anos 60/70. O problema está na produção que procura deixar a timbragem mais modernizada para atrair a molecada. É o tipo de coisa que o Rick Rubin fez com o Sabbath: o som é legal, tem a essência, mas a gente ouve e parece que falta alguma coisa.
Com a minha banda a gente faz covers e próprias nessa linhagem. Conseguimos levar alguns gatos-pingados a um ou outro show que fazemos, e no geral os donos das casas querem bandas que façam covers de bandas que habitualmente tocam no rádio. BBA, Cream, Gentle Giant, Trapeze, Mountain, Cactus, West-Bruce & Laing, Budgie não tocam no rádio. Nem Gov't Mule.
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